“I’ll be very glad to tell them what my faults and my weaknesses are and the areas that I pray about in my life every day.”

Let me be clear that I’m not God so I can’t tell you who is and isn’t going to heaven.

I am opposed to special rights for gays just as I am opposed to special rights for heterosexuals or smokers.

Now on to reparative therapy, I think counseling is a wonderful tool for anybody regardless of what struggle they bring to the table.

Within the membership we have 270 or so members within the network of Exodus whether that’s a local member ministry, a counselor or one of our members of our church association.

It’s something that’s been part of my tenure at Exodus over the last decade plus.

When I said on national television I still struggle.

It says in this world you will have trouble in John 16:33 but take heart you can have peace in me because I’ve overcome the world.

I believe in sanctification at the point of salvation. That doesn’t mean that we don’t continue to mature as believers in Christ. But I believe that we are justified and we are sanctified.

The point that I’m trying to make is that we as believers can have security in Christ when we are believers.

For some that will mean getting the help or expertise of a counselor that can help them walk through and navigate through some of the traumatic things that they’ve been through in their life.

But when it comes to someone pointing to this passage and saying homosexuals changed, well, I’m not sure that’s what that passage is referring to.

You know my issue isn’t whether gay people go to heaven or straight people go to heaven.

How can we quantify that? How can you even know that that’s what you have experienced? And what if at some point you fall to 85 percent or 70 percent?

And then there are the offers of using homosexual pornography within the therapeutic process to help people understand why they’re struggling.

A reparative therapist called me and said if you’ll come into therapy with me I can cure you of your temptations and attractions 100 percent.

One of the many evils this world has to offer is the sin of homosexuality.