“How can we quantify that? How can you even know that that’s what you have experienced? And what if at some point you fall to 85 percent or 70 percent?”

They’re a wonderful and balanced group of people and I’m grateful for their support.

This is the church’s job. This is who we are as the body of Christ to reach out to people who are in need, who are struggling.

Exodus will do that for people who come to us for help.

If we were talking about one of their sin issues we wouldn’t have addressed this at all. I find that hypocritical and inconsistent.

What I know about my relationship with Christ is that as a believer.

Certainly if someone looks at my life, they will see that I have surrendered my heart, my life to Jesus Christ.

I am sorry we promoted sexual orientation change efforts and reparative theories about sexual orientation that stigmatized parents.

I know Christ. And that is secure. And I think that is something that actually helps believers pursue his holiness.

So he can add his voice to the chorus of others whether it’s gay activists or now a New Testament professor.

My beliefs and my desires have changed. They have come into alignment with who he is and who he created you to be.

It’s about pursuing a relationship with Christ.

We’ve made it bigger; the resolution for this needs to be bigger than for other people.

And then there are encouragements to use heterosexual pornography or heterosexual images to encourage heterosexual attraction.

So to pick and choose that once you come to Christ you’re never going to struggle in those areas again or never fall prey to stumbling in those ways again, I just, I don’t think we can assure that.

I think it’s for me with regards to this issue I believe in justification at the point of salvation.

When they don’t have to live in that fear or that life of condemnation wondering whether God’s going to yank His relationship from them