“How can we quantify that? How can you even know that that’s what you have experienced? And what if at some point you fall to 85 percent or 70 percent?”

It says in this world you will have trouble in John 16:33 but take heart you can have peace in me because I’ve overcome the world.

I believe in sanctification at the point of salvation. That doesn’t mean that we don’t continue to mature as believers in Christ. But I believe that we are justified and we are sanctified.

The point that I’m trying to make is that we as believers can have security in Christ when we are believers.

For some that will mean getting the help or expertise of a counselor that can help them walk through and navigate through some of the traumatic things that they’ve been through in their life.

I’ll be very glad to tell them what my faults and my weaknesses are and the areas that I pray about in my life every day.

But when it comes to someone pointing to this passage and saying homosexuals changed, well, I’m not sure that’s what that passage is referring to.

You know my issue isn’t whether gay people go to heaven or straight people go to heaven.

And then there are the offers of using homosexual pornography within the therapeutic process to help people understand why they’re struggling.

A reparative therapist called me and said if you’ll come into therapy with me I can cure you of your temptations and attractions 100 percent.

One of the many evils this world has to offer is the sin of homosexuality.

Exodus is a very large organization. My board of directors is supportive of me as the president of Exodus and are very much involved in my decision-making and those types of things.

But as a property owner of Orlando, I wouldn’t rent to someone who is gay any more than I would rent to a person who is a practicing witch.

Who need to be discipled and to pursue Christ in their life.

For someone to promise a percentage type cure for this issue, for instance I had someone who said they had experienced a 90 percent permanent.

But sin resides, the power of sin resides in our flesh. It will always try us and it was always tempt us and therefore we always need to be submitting our mind, will and emotions to the lordship of Jesus Christ.

I think that’s really where we need to be more consistent as believers.