“Yes, you know sometimes, we started out thinking out how strange our painting was next to normal painting, which was anything expressionist.”

I think its the tension between what seems to be so rigid and cliched and the fact that art really cant be this way.

I kind of do the drawing with the painting in mind, but it’s very hard to guess at a size or a color and the colors around it and what it will really look like. It’s only a guess at the beginning, and then I try to refine it.

When I met Steve Kaufman, I thought he was Gene Simmons, but what an artist talent he is. He will be an art force in the art world to deal with.

All my art is in some way about other art, even if the other art is cartoons.

A number of artists have done things with Mickey Mouse – including Claes Oldenburg and Andy Warhol. He’s such an American symbol, and such an anti-art symbol.

I think that most people think painters are kind of ridiculous, you know?

But usually I begin things through a drawing, so a lot of things are worked out in the drawing. But even then, I still allow for and want to make changes.

The things that I have apparently parodied I actually admire.

I was at Rutgers University, and that was a center for Fluxus in a way. But it wasn’t what I was interested in.

The big tradition, I think, is unity. And I have that in mind; and with that, you know, you could break all the traditions- all the other so-called rules, because they are stylistic.. and most are not true.

Im interested in what would normally be considered the worst aspects of commercial art.

Outside is the world; it’s there. Pop Art looks out into the world.

My work isn’t about form. It’s about seeing. I’m excited about seeing things, and I’m interested in the way I think other people see things.

There must be something about art… almost all cultures have done art. It’s a refining of the senses, which are there to keep us alive. As far as we know, no other animals do that.

My use of evenly repeated dots and diagonal lines and uninflected color areas suggest that my work is right where it is, right on the canvas, definitely not a window into the world.

My direction is very anti-contemplative. If you thought I was for commercial products, you’d think there was no irony. The irony isn’t meant to be an ironic comment on our society, exactly.